Nokia: 2 million Lumias in Q1

 That 600 K number comes from Tomi AntiNokia’s twisted estimates.  I wonder if you are able to repeat his logic.

that’s not where the number came from. While he agreed with the statistical value, that’s not the derivation of the number. Secondly, seeing that he sorta helped make Nokia what he is today, right or wrong, his opinion is to be respected. If it wasn’t for him, there wouldn’t be much of a Nokia to discuss. Let’s just get that from jump. As far as the logic, I think I indicated in a previous article the number is from intomobile. I’m currently on the phone as I type this so bear with me, I’ll edit it the initial response to indicate exactly which post I quoted.

I think Windows Phone would have sold a lot better if they copied the
iPhone UI, like Android, Meego, Nokia Belle and all the other ones did,
and I said as much here.

I don’t think it has much to do with UI versus how much it has to do with market perception and reception. And while some reviewers did initially enjoy Mango, it is difficult not to indicate its shortcomings even as a windows phone user and lover of the platform. Meego does do a lot of tasks far better than Windows Phone, is far more flexible, and surprisingly very robust. A lot of things Windows Phone in its current iteration is not.

As I said in a previous article, OEM, carrier/reseller ultimately dictate what is being sold and what isn’t being sold. Microsoft ticked off many OEMs. That’s not some sort of illogical OMFG stance, it’s actually a pretty fair assessment given the previous comings and goings under windows phone.

Microsoft decided to be the anti-iphone and take the hard path.

No, they became exactly like the iphone in effect bullying the OEMs, bullying carriers/resellers. Like I said before, we got an iphone, carriers DO NOT WANT another iphone. Secondly, the entire anti-iphone campaign was capitulated by verizon in 2009 to sell their first droid, and it worked famously by pointing out the fragmented limitations of the current iphone. And many still remember the choice because of the advertising campaign which created a counterculture of anti iphone, but pro droid. Microsoft did take the iphone stance, and unlike iphone, they were not so lucky and ultimately it shows in their sluggish sales

hat means not only convincing buyers to like Windows Phone, but also to
not like the iPhone.  Thats hard work, but they are having slow
success.

Works very well for android…

In short, everyone needs to lower their expectations.

Why should I lower my expectation of what Windows Phone can or cannot do? For that matter, why should I give a phone a pass if competing platforms perform the task much much better? I want Windows Phone to succeed ultimately, and it can. If things were done differently than the way they are done now. It’s tantamount to saying to a user wait for NoDo/Mango/insert OS iteration here while also assuming mobile tech is not evolving at a rapid pace. Both are not true, as indicated both by sluggish sales, poor market reception, and low user base.

Growth and customer satisfaction is the only important metric at present

I hope you mean the objective measures and not the amazon wireless/insert online vendor here measure that can easily be spammed to oblivion with ease and represent an unrealistic image…

Also Nokia investors are being a bit stupid. If Nokia’s share price
drops so low as to be a take over target I am sure Microsoft will be
buying them at a high premium,

Which is the exact thing that shouldn’t happen for the good of the platform and ultimate success. If that happens, you may as well stick a fork in Windows Phone – from the alienation of OEMs to carriers and resellers, and the general low numbers. Nokia is not going to be the only force that saves Windows Phone. In fact, Microsoft has several OEMs that can do the job perfectly well, but they are underutilized. And while I am both shocked and intrigued that the OEMs are still sticking by Microsoft in the midst of low expectations, buying licenses per product with low sales ultimately leading to loss of money, I am just shocked. Point blank period

Here’s the ultimate deal. We aren’t so different you and I because we ultimately want Windows Phone to succeed in the mobile landscape because it has a lot of potential in spite of several short comings and concessions made by the end user to adopt Windows Phone in its current iteration. How we see things that leads to success differs drastically, which is fine because we aren’t supposed to have the same opinion. And I may come off as brash, but I don’t necessarily mean it. I am passionate about my thought and about Windows Phone. Ultimately the pedagogy that Microsoft adopted with Windows Mobile did lead to a lot of success and it is a model that Android copied. But copying the Apple model isn’t working for Microsoft all too well. And as a user I want to see some positive return in an investment in an ecosystem that I’ve spent both time, money, and power to evangelize Windows Phone.

Despite not liking a lot of moves that Microsoft is doing, I like the general OS. But things have got to change, it isn’t just a Nokia pony show, it’s utilizing the top two Android OEMs to create a great product, giving other OEMs respect, decreasing the licensing fees of Windows Phone, and so on and so on and so on.

I like Windows, but Microsoft has to give me something worth fighting for. And sadly, they haven’t

 Its not about the OEMs, its consumer demand.

Which is driven by
Say it with me now – carriers and resellers. Which who ultimately are influenced by carriers/resellers? OEM. They both have such a strong relationship, it is difficult to consider them independent. And to constantly state user demand while negating the power that the carrier/reseller and the OEM has is a bit oversimplified. All it takes is some talking to OEMs, other industry analysts, and the same thing will be said.

Android is popular because carriers and resellers love it. And so do OEMs because they get a product that is generally perceived as good without spending nearly as much versus the iphone and Windows Phone. That isn’t some misconception of things, that is a fact.

Windows Phone had low sales despite wide market presence, many models,
low prices and wide support by OEMs.   Consumers want iPhones, not Live
tiles.

Evidently not considering the iPhone has been beaten by android. users want what is popular and guess what? Carriers and resellers have a huge hand in what is considered popular. It’s rather simple and it is even something you’ve reported on. Stop me if this doesn’t sound familiar:

Customer walks in a store and demands a Lumia 900 and the sales associate sells them what? Not a Lumia, but usually a droid or an iphone; often the droid being the preferred choice. But of course, maybe that can’t be said since Microsoft and Nokia pumped 100 million into this, to make sure associates are knowledge. And despite that, customers are still being led astray.

Now you can negate my argument on the importance of the carrier and OEM. But you can’t negate something you’ve reported. User demand is ultimately driven by reseller/carrier demand. What drives the reseller/carrier channel? The success of the product, which guess what, brings us back to OEM.

You obviously agree with Kindel, but he is wrong and so are you.

so, the general manager of Windows Phone is wrong…the person that brought the platform, presented the case toward both vendors, OEMs, carriers, resellers and everyone under the sun is wrong.

Really?

You know that makes you sound rather bad, considering all that Kindel has done with Windows Mobile and Windows Phone. It would be him that knows better than anyone else. You can say til the cows come home and I am wrong. But, if one of the head honchos of Microsoft says it, former or not, that commands some attention.

What more verification do you really need? Some contact from some industry insiders? I can email you some, but again you may not like them since many agree with Kindel…

Consumer demand is driving the iPhone,

So when, the droid does campaign catapulted Android into a mega monster, what drove that again? *hint* I’ve said it before…

and cheap copies of the iPhone is driving Android.

Or maybe, just maybe, the phones are cheaper, offer the user better options and receive heavy promotion by OEMs. When you get down to it, what carriers/resellers are after have been HTC and Samsung. And while touchwiz does bear some striking resemblance to the function of iOS while maintaining core android functionality, HTC sense does not. Which had a pretty darn good year and has ultimately driven a lot of Android sales.

The first iPhone did not even have apps and sold then better than Windows Phone is selling now. 

And this also isn’t the year 2007. The mobile tech industry can and has evolved to a major point that is post iphone. Does the iphone make a killing still? Absolutely, but is it the juggernaut it once was? No. And even in its prime, both Nokia and Blackberry still made profits, and were the only two companies that made profit in a post iphone world prior to Android dominance.

Why? again, carriers/resellers and OEMs..

The only problem is consumers already think a smartphone looks like an iPhone, not like live tiles.

Now this is funny considering something very amazing you just said:

and on part with my wife and daughter’s iPhones. Independent assessments
of customer satisfaction (e.g PCMagazine’s Reader Survey) show that
satisfaction is wide spread.

You’d think if users actually liked the product in such high regards, there would be demand to see more? Simple high school marketing. Users like it, they demand more. That’s worked for a variety of different campaigns both in and out of the mobile industry.

And yet, the irony is, that’s not happened in Windows Phone. Why is that? Oh yeah…something I’ve been saying all along!

Thanks for the verification though, I appreciate it :-P

Samsung understands to succeed they need to copy Apple.

So what led to their dominance prior to their android releases, or their bada os, or the dumbphones that had a drag and drop widget interface before mimicking the iphone? Come on Surur, you’re sorta reaching far for the iphone simile, and it’s not working in real life examples.

Are you hating on Samsung?

HTC does not understand,

besides q1 2012, HTC has been doing pretty darn well and made more money than their 2010 efforts, and their 2009 efforts. They decreased volume granted, leading to less market share and profits going down, which is a no duh, but prior to that, they were a success, and didn’t copy the iphone.

And before HTC was a success, RIM and Nokia were extremely successful.

Again, the iphone bias is dying and hard.

Microsoft do not understand, and are failing due to this.

Microsoft adopted everything iPhone. From rigid standardization to OEM bullying, and angering carriers. But it isn’t working, and its not because their OS doesn’t look like iphone.

Not everything that has 4 grids of icons is derived from the iphone

 occams razor?

No carrier/reseller -> no promo -> no sell

I don’t know how much simpler it can be. Seriously, its how android did it. And it is also why the iphone was on AT&T for a year exclusivity and then eventually 3 year exclusivity.

But this isn’t an iphone world

 yes with two major carriers not getting mango devices, not really promoting windows phone, very few commercials, etc etc etc. Whoopdeedoo its on a network so was the palm pre, So is the blackberry suite. It doens’t mean that it is getting promotion. I mean come on now we all know this…